Interview with Frank Dekervel: Agentic AI, Applied

Published on: April 27, 2026

Frank Dekervel
“Agentic AI turns the knowledge worker from an executor into a process manager — of the process they used to execute themselves.”
— Frank Dekervel, Partner & CTO

Agentic AI can dramatically improve how knowledge workers operate, but only when it is applied with discipline. We asked Frank Dekervel, partner and CTO at Kapernikov, what has actually changed, what breaks, and what a CTO should do on Monday morning.

What Changes for the Knowledge Worker

Process engineer, not executor: from doing tasks by hand to steering an agent that runs them.

In one sentence — what does agentic AI change about how knowledge workers in asset-intensive industries do their work?

Frank: In our business of software development, agentic AI turned the knowledge worker from an executor into a process engineer — of the process they used to execute themselves. Less time writing, more time on problem definition, review, and steering the process when it goes wrong.

I think it will translate — with some delay — to knowledge work in general.

Counter-intuitively, this will raise, not lower, the bar for knowledge workers. Some tasks get easier, but the possibilities go way up: suddenly it becomes feasible to do an analysis quantitatively, supported by data instead of just gut feeling. Knowledge workers will spend more time thinking, steering and reviewing, just like we do now, and less time will be spent just executing a plan.

Why now, and not two years ago during the ChatGPT hype?

Frank: As for software development, three curves converged: mature frontier language models, mature agentic workflows (tool use, long context, iterative execution with error correction), and emerging best practices for safe and high-quality use. We’ve been working on this for longer than a year, but the tipping point — where it makes no sense to deploy a knowledge worker without the help of an agent — is a few months behind us.

Three things lined up: frontier language models that are actually usable, agentic workflows that work, and a first generation of best practices.

For knowledge workers in general, I think we are lagging behind a bit: general-purpose agents exist but are less mature, and lots of software used by knowledge workers is not yet agent-friendly.

Asset-intensive industries are a particularly interesting case. Physical assets live longer than IT systems, so information about them is by definition heterogeneous — spread across generations of systems and formats. That heterogeneity was historically the killer of data integration projects: infeasible on cost or time. Agentic AI can shift the feasibility line, moving projects from “infeasible” to “challenging,” and from “challenging” to “easy.”

What Changed Inside Kapernikov

You’ve been using agentic coding internally since 2024. What has actually changed — in output, in who does what, in how you scope and price projects?

Frank: We spent quite some time figuring out how to reap the benefits of agentic coding while, at the same time, ensuring the software we make remains high-quality, scalable and easy to modify in the future.

This has been non-trivial. AI agents can now very quickly build a first version, but when not managed, the speedy initial delivery is followed by a much slower bugfixing and stabilising phase. We are now able to keep on iterating quickly, while being in control of quality, technical depth, security and scalability at the same time.

For this, we did several things:

  • Figured out our new role, which is much more focused on quality control, process improvement and architecture than on coding. We built ourselves a new methodology: how to work on features, how to stay on top of the reviewing work without letting quality slip, how to properly tackle testing and release management. All those aspects changed.
  • Built a standard architecture and boilerplate that tackles the “boring stuff” and lays a solid base for future work. We rediscovered the value of this: we already had it before agents, but back then it was mainly to speed up work. Now speed is less of an argument — agents can produce lots of code very quickly — but quality is. Our standard architecture keeps things familiar for people doing quality review, keeps our defect rate low and our security high.
  • Complemented this standard architecture with an agent harness: best practices encoded as agent skills, automated end-to-end tests (and best practices on how to write them), release checklists. Here, we really took advantage of the speed agents offer: our testing strategy is an order of magnitude more ambitious than before the agentic era, and we use tools that used to be hard to maintain like browser automation.

An important point: these investments are not there to optimise speed of initial delivery (which is already great), but the total cost of ownership of software throughout its lifetime. A common pitfall in the agentic era is to judge success by the speed of initial delivery, which is only a fraction of the total project cost. Defect rate, scalability, and how easy it is to evolve and change software are much more important in the long run.

So manual programming is disappearing at Kapernikov?

Frank: Almost. Many of our people could still do it — and that’s critical. Because even the best language models make one or two concretely harmful errors per human per day. Small in relative terms, but the human safety net is absolutely necessary. And the competencies that make someone a good safety net are harder to name or assess than “knows Python”: critical thinking, software architecture, appetite for simplicity.

An agent produces output; a human reviewer catches the errors a junior would miss before anything reaches production.

We’ve rewritten our competency matrix. The role of the junior is explicit in it: today’s juniors are tomorrow’s seniors. The question isn’t whether they’re redundant, but how they deploy AI agents to grow faster. We invest more in coaching and mentoring than before, not less.

An early study — METR, mid-2025 — found that developers using AI agents actually overestimated their own productivity. Real speed didn’t match perceived speed. How do you guard against that?

Frank: Working with an AI agent often makes people overly optimistic about what can be achieved, and this optimism comes from the speed at which the initial implementation of a project is finished. The challenge is to maintain a high speed once past the initial implementation, and this is where the investment in an agent harness, architecture and methodology pays off. A high defect rate or a substantial rewrite to make software production-worthy can completely kill the advantage of the head start given by agents.

Beyond Coding: Knowledge Work

A knowledge worker at a desk, back to the viewer, working with an agent on screen.

Coding is one profession. For a geologist at an offshore operator, an asset engineer at a rail manager, a data steward at a utility — what can agentic tools do for them today, and what is still blocked?

Frank: Agentic tools originally built for code are increasingly applied to knowledge work. Decisions that used to be made on feel are now evidence-based — even by knowledge workers who never wrote code. An asset engineer at an infrastructure manager can today ask an agent to correlate failure reports on a given component type with maintenance history and live sensor data, and prepare a prioritisation proposal. What used to require a data scientist and several days now takes hours — and sits closer to the engineer, without translation layers.

What’s the dominant bottleneck to wider rollout?

Frank: A contrarian answer: the most-cited bottleneck is “data quality,” but for knowledge work in asset-intensive sectors, the real bottleneck today is security or governance. The challenge is to guarantee good security without killing the speed advantage agents offer.

We see CISOs at all our major customers pushing back on the use of general-purpose agentic tools, and rightly so: the tools frontier-model vendors provide for running an agent in a secure way are simply not adequate as of spring 2026 (if they exist at all), which makes securing an agentic workflow a case-by-case exercise, for which no general solution exists.

This makes a company-wide roll-out very hard.

The Security Question

Agents are powerful, but there are serious incidents reported — prompt injection, data exfiltration, supply chain issues. How do you build systems where a knowledge worker can be productive without unacceptable exposure?

Frank: The question is not whether agents can operate on company data — they can. The question is how. The broad autonomous agent with unlimited access to data, communication, and software installation — what the market often demos today — simply doesn’t work in production yet. We’ve experimented with it. What it can do is impressive. What it actually holds up to in production is not. We hear from peers that several companies have shelved such setups after a few weeks. Security was the main — but far from the only — concern.

The architecture that does work today: the embedded agent. Software gets — alongside a GUI and an API — a natural-language interface. The agent lives inside the software, not around it. All frontier models now support tool-calling (deciding if an external tool is necessary and using it if so); embedded agents have become mature because of it. The agent operates in a tightly controlled environment: the software defines what it can see and do. You keep control of all data flows, you bake in security, and you add context-specific guardrails that are far better suited than what generic agents offer.

A concrete example?

Frank: We’re building an embedded agent for an asset-inventory system. The agent modifies data freely in a sandbox — it experiments, proposes, validates. Changes are not published without explicit human consent, and the agent has no way to bypass the consent step. That’s architecturally enforced, not left to the agent to respect. It’s the operationalisation of the “human safety net” principle applied to data operations.

Sandbox → review & approve → production data: a human-in-the-loop consent step between an agent's proposed changes and the production system.

An under-appreciated point: for good code generation you need frontier models today. For embedded agents you don’t. The environment is so much more controlled that much smaller models suffice. On-prem deployment without exuberant hardware becomes realistic — data doesn’t leave the company, cost per query drops by orders of magnitude, and vendor lock-in on frontier providers disappears.

The line we draw: reading, proposing, analysing, checking against a pre-written checklist — autonomous. Every write operation on company data, every external communication, every irreversible action — human-in-the-loop. On an agent operating on personal data, 95% reliability is liveable. On company data, 95% is catastrophically insufficient. The difference isn’t harder, it’s an order of magnitude different.

Governance and Shadow AI

Shadow AI — employees feeding company data into personal ChatGPT accounts — is reality in almost every company. What frameworks should companies apply?

Frank: Governance is not about forbidding (it is almost impossible and probably undesirable to prevent the use of general-purpose agents). It’s about controlling the actual risks. The risks aren’t new. What is new: the barrier has collapsed so far that people without the background to quantify risk are now working with AI tools.

For chatbots, a solution can be to provide a company-sanctioned official chatbot to use. Agents (like Claude Code, Antigravity, and CoWork) present much bigger risks, because they operate with access to company infrastructure and data.

The most important governance task in 2026 is awareness: people must genuinely understand the risks associated with AI in order to cope with them. E-learnings won’t be enough. Time will have to be spent: training, discussion, coaching, periodic meetings between business, IT and security — around concrete use cases.

Monday Morning

You’re CTO or CDO of an asset-intensive company — rail, water, energy, offshore. One thing you start this month, one thing you stop.

Frank:

  1. Start the learning process around agentic AI. Not as a compliance exercise, but as a coordinated initiative where three things come together: the benefits — what it concretely delivers for which roles; the risks — which are realistic in your specific context; and the CISO policy implications — what has to adapt to allow productive use without unacceptable exposure. Keeping the technology entirely out of the house covers the risk, but the opportunities are too big to leave on the table. Anyone waiting for the market to settle is waiting for something that isn’t coming.
  2. Stop celebrating initial delivery time. The real question is whether the team evolved faster toward the right solution — and whether TCO over three years is better. A demo that ships in a weekend is worth nothing if the system doesn’t work or isn’t trusted six months later. That’s the METR critique at organisational scale: the wrong metric confirms a hubris that gets expensive later.

The choice between keeping agentic AI out (safe-feeling, actually irresponsible) and ungoverned adoption (irresponsible) is false. The third path is structured learning — benefits, risks, CISO implications together. Whoever doesn’t start that learning process isn’t building certainty. They’re building backlog.

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